Warning: This is what a post looks like when I’m trying to think something through that has too many layers and on which I have done very little to no research at all. In other words, this post is all over the place. Your thoughts are very much appreciated.
When I was starting to deal with my sexuality, and had begun experimenting with boys, it was never about trying to figure out who was a top and who was a bottom. I don’t even remember the first time I heard about bottoms and tops. I do remember the first time someone asked me if I was the boy or the girl in the relationship. I remember it very clearly because I had no idea what to answer. I was with D at the time, and a High School friend who I had just come out to (I was still quite closeted!) uttered the words that I would hear almost every single time I would come out to someone hereafter.
K: So…are you the boy or the girl in the relationship?
Me: [silence and confused look]
K: You know: You know…in bed. Are you the man or the woman?
M: Sometimes I receive, and sometimes he receives. It depends, I guess.
K: That’s weird.
For the few years after that, I dealt with that issue in pretty much the same way. D, and the two boyfriends that followed were as open sexually as I was. We never discussed specific roles. It was just whatever would happen would happen. Sometimes I topped, sometimes I bottomed. It came naturally (no pun intended).
But the straights kept asking me if I was a man or a woman.
Then I met A. He was slightly older, quite closeted, and a total bottom. It was weird for me. He had defined himself as such and there was no arguing. He would be the bottom of the relationship.
And then came W. Total bottom.
Then O. Pure top.
Then L. Power bottom.
Suddenly, something happened, and people were sticking to one position, and I was stuck as the other. I just accepted things as they were and realized that actually, almost everyone around me had, without me even noticing, made up their mind on whether they are tops or bottoms.
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For a long time, I actually felt a sense of pride that gay couples could actually be quite equal. Anything you do to me, I can do right back to you. That was great. It was fair, balanced, and enjoyable for everyone. It might sound stupid and naïve (and it is), but it was one of the things that made me more comfortable with being gay: it was equal, free of gender stereotyping, and, I thought, free of labels within the community.
I don’t know where this need to identify as a top or bottom comes from. I haven’t done any research. I’d be interested to know if it is something created by the gays, or whether it is a response to the expectations of the straights and society at large.
Is it that the heterosexual community cannot fathom that, in a relationship, any relationship, two people can be equal, in bed and in life? Is it that gay people have a need to replicate what is all around them by assigning sexual roles for each other?
Another troubling level to this, it that your role in bed obviously has an impact on your legal status in Lebanon. If you’re a pure top, the law doesn’t recognize you as gay, it seems. Is that because it’s not macho enough to bottom? Too feminine for society?
Also, I think most people automatically associated the more feminine person in the relationship as the bottom, and experience has shown me that is far from true. Are you more gay if you bottom? Are you more of a man if you only top?
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Confession time: My favorite type of man, the kind who I am most sexually attracted to, is the muscled, hairy kind, with a touch of femininity, who has no issues bottoming with the right partner. In the gay world, we unfortunately call these guys Muscle Queens. I am strangely turned on by this contradiction, and for many years, I felt I was sexist because I saw this as a contradiction.
I am rethinking that though. Perhaps I am attracted by the fact that the man, as macho as he may be physically, has accepted his feminine side, and therefore has moved beyond expectation and stereotypes. This is far from being androgynous, but it is kind of combining contradictory gender sterotypes, and I like that.
I think gay couples have the chance to redefine relationships, moving away from male and female roles, in bed and in life. When we define ourselves in terms of our role in bed, then, in many ways, we are emulating a heterosexual couple, don’t you think?
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Ok, I’ve blabbed on enough, and probably said lots of crap. The point is, I’d like to hear your thoughts on these things.
@thedreamking
August 29, 2012
I wouldn’t necessarily describe it as crap, but surprisingly enough, from you, it’s not one of your finest moments. Sadly, you’re suggesting choice in a non-choice situation. Your excuse is that you don’t know better in this situation, but still, you could have asked around before…
I’m not bashing you here, just letting a little irritation seep through. You’re like a bisexual saying “why restrict to one gender? the great thing about bisexuality is that you don’t have to be like straight people”. Bisexuality is an exception, not the ideal we should all look up to.
So is Versatility. You never questioned it because you never had an issue with it. Whatever situation you were thrown in, you could adapt. And now the question: what if you cannot. And not just out of lack of will or intention, but simply technically, cannot.
I’m a bottom. Power bottom, exclusive bottom, active bottom, call it what you want. The bottom line is, BOTTOM. And this is not a preference, this is a reality. I am absolutely not turned on by the idea of being a top, i can have the hugest hard on i ever had and all it take is a guy to turn his back on me and hand his ass for me to be completely turned off. The few times i manage to keep a hard on and do it, it’s mechanical, and as pleasurable as peeling potatoes. There are guys i imagine fucking, there are guys i wish i could fuck, and there are guys i couldn’t be with because i couldn’t fuck. The end result is the same, i’m a bottom. ANd for a long time, i had to suffer the same stigma as for my homosexuality. Am i the only one like this? Is this “normal”?
Well after asking around, it is totally normal and it’s versatile people who are the exception. Since then i have met a lot of bottoms who feel the same and a lot of tops who would never stand anyone even touching their ass. So there you go. Enjoy your versatility, at least you don’t have to give up on half the prospects.
And keep that blog running.
ohmyhappiness
August 29, 2012
You’re completely right. I am assuming that everyone is naturally versatile, though I have not done any research to assume that. But I think the more important thing I am trying to understand here is what impact this definition of top and bottom has had on gay people and on the way gay people are portrayed. Maybe it should have focused more on the stereotypes that people associate with the sexual role. Why is being a bottom considered more “gay”? What are the implications on the law, our lives, our friendships, the LGBT rights movement, sexism? I understand that not everyone is versatile. I swear I do. 🙂
ET
August 29, 2012
Jeez,
When I first got into the scene, I would totally equate bottoming with being the feminine one (never used the boy/girl thing) until I got metaphorically slapped in the face and started noticing that gay guys that are not too effeminate can be bottoms too!!
Then when I got into my first relationship, with a versatile guy who insisted on just bottoming me with me, I felt liked I owed him!! I used to always tell him that perhaps he should do me too, and I would never get why he wouldn’t just do it!!
I feel that versatile relationships are the healthiest, although to date, I am yet to enjoy bottoming!!
witchylisa
August 29, 2012
Well, part of the whole division is that gay men are still human and humans naturally want to belong to some group, even if it’s a subgroup. So you got the whole group aspect, (A)
(B),it’s actually been researched that a person’s preference for which label (T, B, V) to ascribe to is partially affected by penis size, whether factual or subjective. I wish I was making that up but ya got quite a few articles on how if thought that he’s penis size was above average (real or just in his head), then he would be more likely to top, average will versatile, and below-average will bottom. It’s not cold hard absolute numbers but more about relativity
(C), it’s also part of basic sexual preferences. It’s like how a person would naturally feel more pleasure and have a greater inclination towards certain spices and flavors.That aspect of natural tendency and liking is mostly biology (but not a single gene, more like the group of genes and pre-natal triggers that make a person more likely *percentage wise* to do an action X) with a little bit of enviromental experiences such how sometimes fetishes are created in an adult because of previous experiences (think about a guy who always thought Western movies were fucking awesome and wants to get riden by a guy in a cowboy hat or vice versa)
(D) part of it just cultural because if in a society a major portion of the community believe in two semi-destinct genders with gender roles, people are going to try and extend that to everythng else. There’s nothing inherently girly about getting something to poke your prostate (since women don’t have prostates), but we associate the penetrated in most senses with women (an impregnable wall?)
witchylisa
August 29, 2012
PS: there’s nothing womaly about a straight guy who likes it when his wife pegs/fucks him with a strap-on dildo.
Why should her G-spot be the only satisfied one (
Elie Wafi (@ElieWafi)
August 30, 2012
It is a complex issue to which perhaps there’s not a single true answer.
I will share my thoughts randomly like you did:
1. I am not really comfortable with your reference to equality among gay couples. I am sure you don’t think like that, but certainly many gays in Lebanon prefer to be top only because to them being bottom feels more gay or whatever! Now here’s my problem, do we need to link equality to what we like in bed? So if you’re the bottom in the couple, are you no longer equal to your partner because you’re not doing what was done to you? It’s like how some (or many) men think: we are better than women because we are physically stronger and sexually we give and they receive.
2. I am not really comfortable with how many gays and straights like to think that a gay couple just mimics straight couples and recreates gender roles. (So are you the man or the woman of the couple?) Well what if the guy tops but he’s the one who likes to cook dinner for two, or he doesn’t mind cleaning afterwards, or he’s the one who might clean his boyfriend’s shirt or whatever? Aren’t these activities traditionally women duties? What will you be in this case? A woman with a strap-on?
3. Though I don’t have a problem answering what’s my preferred role, I have a problem with what many gays associate with that role. Dakar and Mara ( Male and Woman) are two recurrent terms you hear in the Lebanese gay community. Both terms irritate me on so many levels. I baffles me how fascinated the gay community is with the quasi legendary, almost unrealistic image of the MAN, the Macho Man, l Dakar!!! If you meet half of these mythical standards, all of a sudden you’re the object of all desires and you have more rights and privileges and this is what annoys me the most of me because I am firmly believe we are equal no matter what sexual role we take on or what sexual orientation we choose or accept to ourselves.
(Ps: Raja, my high tone is not against you, but against what is wrong (or wrong in my opinion) in the gay community, love you).
bi-dyke
September 4, 2012
Here’s my bi-dyke perspective on the issue: when I was coming out in the late 90s, the same question was posed by lesbians, except they used the words “passive” and “active”, which was always a bit weird to me (in my experience bottoming is hardly a passive act). I too used to eschew these labels in favor of some elusive ideal of “equality” in bed (Elie Wafi hit the nail on the head with that one). But I was young then, and I soon discovered that that shit’s actually quite boring to me. I enjoy sexual power play immensely. I really, really enjoy topping, and to me that is often tied to gender play, though not in any fixed way. And my sexual preferences have changed so much over the years, and they will probably continue to evolve. For now, I’m having tons of fun cultivating myself as a top with both women and the few men I end up fucking. Topping and bottoming is SO much more than just about who gets to stick what where. I can be strapping on my dyke dick and get seriously topped by a hot high femme, or bottom with a guy who wants me to be his little boy. Whatever does it for you, that’s where it’s at.
T.
October 8, 2012
I have lived around the US and here in Lebanon (I am American), but it seems to me that here in Beirut, many many many more people choose one role and stick to it. I have no idea why, but I have some theories, most of which are probably not true and read too far into social pressures, etc. Back in the US it seemed like many people had a preference, but it was only that – they would give some and take some depending on the relationship, the mood, and sometimes even who hadn’t had a turn for a while.
In Lebanon, the number of men I have spoken to who are unwilling to admit or even contemplate trying the alternate role tells me that it’s more of a mental block than a turn off like the one described by the first commenter. I believe many of the men who are wrapped up in their own machismo, in particular, are afraid of being seen as less manly. But we are all still having sex with men, I sometimes try to point out, which is gay no matter how you slice it.
Zafar
October 25, 2012
Hi, I stumbled across your website, it’s terribly interesting. Just a thought – getting fucked or fucking someone have nothing to do with being more or less equal. There’s quite a sexist assumption behind the fuckee being less than the fucker – which I’m sure you don’t intend! (Plus talk to any power bottoms.) Warm regards.
ohmyhappiness
October 29, 2012
Hey Zafar! Thanks for reading. I was relating to what society sees as the female role and the male role in bed. I don’t agree with it.